POF USA P308 MRR 7.62mm

Entry carbine with relentless reliability and a hard-hitting punch!

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For those who may not have kept up to date on military and law enforcement matters, the AR small arms family, which includes both the M16 rifle and M4 carbine haven’t exactly been covering themselves with glory in the War on Terror, presently being waged in Afghanistan, Iraq and other charm spots around the globe. Issues of both reliability and lethality have commonly been reported from those warriors at the “sharp end of the spear.” To rectify at least some of the reliability and lethality issues, the military has quietly been withdrawing M14 rifles from storage and issuing them by the thousands. Unlike the ARs, the M14s have a proven track record of reliability, lethality, plus the capability of penetrating the cinder block structures that have proven impervious to 5.56mm rounds.

Of course, there are issues with the M14 as well. The M14 was never intended to accept the many accessories that characterize modern tactical operations and although there are modular stocks for the M14, they do not solve the M14s basic problems. What’s worse, there aren’t any M14s left to issue and tooling to make new ones to military standard no longer exists. In addition, M14 parts are drying up. Things have gotten so bad that the military has been requesting that some M14s previously transferred to law enforcement agencies be returned. Moreover, the M14 is a very expensive rifle to manufacture, being essentially a modified version of the venerable M1 Garand, a rifle that was originally designed in the late 1920s and first issued to troops in 1936.

Gun Details
A solution to both lethality and reliability issues is POF-USA’s P308. Patriot Ordnance Factory USA has been manufacturing AR type rifles and carbines for several years that not only have a very simple and reliable gas piston/operating rod system CROS (Corrosion Resistant Operating System), but it also operates without lubrication of any kind. As far fetched as this may sound, we have had a P415 for a long term test and evaluation, and have yet to clean or lubricate it, other than to wipe the internal parts with a dry shop towel to remove what little fouling gets into the receiver. Because the receiver interior is coated with Robar NP3, and the other operating components are electroless nickel or hard chromed, they are self-lubricating and nothing sticks to them. NP3 is a process that combines sub-micron particles of PTFE (Teflon) and electroless nickel. POF, however, has taken the AR to what may well be its ultimate level with its P308 because as good as the P415 is, the P308 has the additional power of the 308. POF offers the P308 with receiver interior either NP3 coated or black anodized.

The P308 retains most of the features that have led to the P415s success and then some. The P308’s receiver is plated with the same NP3 as the P415, but there the similarity ends. The P308’s bolt carrier is heat-treated and electroless nickel-plated and the bolt is hard chromed. The P308’s barrel and barrel extension are heat-treated by a proprietary process referred to by POF’s CEO Frank Desomma as “deep nitride heat treatment.” While Frank is understandably reluctant to divulge the exact nature of the process, the results are obvious. The treatment penetrates the barrel steel to a depth of 0.003 to 0.005 of an inch and gives a surface hardness of Rockwell 68-72. Hard chrome has a surface hardness of Rockwell 65-68, but there are issues with hard chrome that make it less than ideal for rifle barrels, primarily that hard chrome has surface irregularities that cannot be eliminated, which is the primary reason that match rifle barrels are almost universally plain chrome-molybdenum or stainless steel. POF’s deep nitride treatment, on the other hand, has zero imperfections and is incredibly smooth. For this reason, P308 barrels are regularly achieving amazing accuracy that literally has to be seen to be believed.


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  • LastRites

    Got a POF rifle a few weeks ago. Not even 10 shots and it has a casing lodged in it. Had to send it back. $2600 and already off to a bad start! Will stick with my $100 SKS and Bushmaster with weak 5.56.
    A 5.56 that shoots beats a paperweight .308 that doesn’t.

  • BayouBoogie

    Just purchased one. I haven’t had a chance to take it to the range.If it’s performance is as good as my SPR 415, it will serve me well

  • Brett – US Marine (Hon Dis)

    I have been doing a lot of research on the P308 from POF. As a Marine having used and taught the M16 which is a great firearm, as the article stated has had its problems.

    I also have noticed in my searches, an almost similar response where the articles allow them, from critics, leading me to believe that they are written by competitors posing as individual shooters.

    I have one on order. I when I get it I will post my responses honestly. From what I have seen I have been impressed enough to buy one. Piston operation, the metallurgical specs are amazing. Anyone who does their own home work will be as impressed as I am.

    Don’t let unfounded criticism from posters deter you from at least looking at the firearm and the company. Before this I was looking at Armalite’s AR-10. But this P308 in 7.62 x 51 (Marine round) is at the high end evolution of AR’s. Just my two cents.

    Semper Fi

  • BayouBooggie

    In one word FLAWLESS…
    Ate everything I fed it, from Chinese and German
    surplus to 180gr power points…
    Good Investment

  • SapphireAegis

    I purchased a P308 with a 16.5″ barrel a week ago. I’ve fired about 60 rounds through it so far, zero failures to fire or other issues. Better than 1MOA accuracy. Very easy to clean, too.

  • http://snipershide.com KillShot

    I’ve had my POF .308 20″ since May and I have yet to have any issues. Anytime I’ve had a question or concern, the POF customer service has been top notch.

    Buy with confidence. POF*USA is the only rifle for me.

  • WallyMudshark( US Army / Masters Engineering)

    Waiting for the 2011 POF to come in. I’ve researched the POF vs Others and decided to buy it.
    I’ve also looked into posers like LastRites who changes his story on every web site and brags about a cobbled together 308 he has, but nowhere does he mention buying a POF. LastRites, post your invoice, cut out your personal info. Like Brett, all of the negative posting I’ve read about the POF are usually from the LWRC competition, about $1000 more. If LWRC is taking the time to knock POF you know they must be good. Another Selling point is the R5 barrel, look up what everyone says about it? Never have I seen so many woodies for something.

    Wally

  • Dale – old Army Scout

    I have had my P308 for about 2 months. Fired about 60 rounds out of it, have taken it hunting, drug it around through the woods and treat it like I would a military grade weapon, I have had one misfire and it was because of a cheap 4 round magazine I bought to be legal hunting with it. Never had a problem when I used decent magazines. I have the 14.6″ barrel and I am comfortable shooting anything from 5 yards to 400 with it. Per the factory instructions I have never used lube on it and simply wipe down the internal parts. It is by far the best individual weapon I have used in the military or the civilian world. I wish I would have had it in the desert years ago.

  • Randy

    Soooooo. I have a p-308 the rifle is a flawless work of engineering art
    I bought at an auction. 2200 something. Bought a magpul 308 plastic
    Magazine and went out. After a function check dry Componets and
    Inspection the first the weapon at the first 20 round of the factory magizine
    So I am thinking what a please to shoot a work of art right? Right ?

    Well I am now into my second mag of which is the magpiul magizine
    And the unit fires single shot will not cycle with the current magizine
    So I try as try can be to get the rifle to eat and she refuses. Hummm
    So I change back to the OEM magizine and it fires two consecutive
    Rounds and stops. Damn. So the ammo is all the same 146 grain fmj
    So my pops who thinking I am a dumb as say hey how about lubing
    Up the bolt it looks dry. So I do and the gun starts to run.

    I get the weapon back to the bench and take a look at the op system
    And check for whiteness mark and it is all clean. I clean and store the
    P308 in inventory.

    Ummm two weeks ago I am going out and do a shoot so I pull the p308
    Out and dress her up purtty right as I have her showing me how she works
    I noticed a area above what is the forward lip area and there are several
    Dimples in the squared of area right? I am thinking this area should be
    Throughly ramped to feed different size projectile length well it is not
    So I ramped the area and after test firing I found the weapon to feed
    Better than before.

    I ran a full gamut of bullets thought her and she rejected al most all the rounds
    Less a long fmj or a hunting round all factory stuff. If a round that was
    Seated deep as a reload the bullet would catch the 5/32 area that I did. It
    Ramp and fail to feed.

    I will fix these issues in the future. As I stated this weapon. Is a work
    Of mechanical art and is thought out well but this experance for me
    Is a reason in its self to knock this weapon off it’s podium until the feed
    Issue is mended and the weapon functions as asked, just like a woman the p308
    is perfect until you start talking to her and start to expect her to
    Understand what you need To get done she gets tired and shows she is flawed

  • steven

    Oh damn I sounded like a full blown moron in my previous post. So let me clean it up so you can follow Btw that was sent from my smart phone right?

    Soooooo. I have a p-308 the rifle is a flawless work of engineering art, really very nice fit and form.
    I bought the rifle at an auction, $2200 something. I also Bought a Magpul 308 plastic Magazine from a local gun store. As a note the rifle came with five factory issued magazine as well. so buying the P-mag for the gun was me showing some respect for our Arizona manufacturing and engineers,

    So as with any new weapon I went out to test function and firing. I preformed a function check, I dried off all the bolt and receiver Componets and the charge handle. I did this as a direct implication of the advertised ability of this weapon manufactures specifications. Go with the flow. As a note I am a mechanic and I have worked the trade over several industries the only thing I have yet to work on is aircraft.

    After a visual Inspection of the aforementioned wiped down parts and a visual port alignment of the gas system i loaded her up and she was hungry. the first magazine the weapon ate went like she had been starved of copper and this was the factory magazine and there were no leftovers. such a good girl she was. hell i have A POF. i also have an AR 10 Armalite as well gas impingement that never ever has fail to fire.

    So I am thinking what a pleasure it is to shoot a work
    Of art right? Right ?

    Well I am now into my second mag of which is now the Magpul magazine Pmag which of course everyone knows this is a fine functional magazine! the POF P 308 fires a single shot will not cycle with the current magazine, So I try as try can be to get the rifle to eat and she refuses so partially removing a round from the magazine but not moving the round in to battery. i am thinking Hummm with a lot more Hummm. a few choice words and humm again. is this my fault? it has to be. my counselor said so.

    So I change back to the OEM magazine and it fires two consecutive
    Rounds and stops. Damn. Damn and Damn. So the ammo is all the same 146 grain fmj. So my pops who thinking I am a dumb ass says to me because I bragged about this rifle like walked on water the holy grail of fire arms rich? He says to me hey how about lubing Up the bolt it looks dry. me i a thinking it make sense but what does this 68 year old man know about technology, So I do as any good son should do and i lube the gun up with engine oil from the dip stick and the gun starts to run and run well. no failure to feed or fire. hell yeah i am back in the saddle.

    I get the weapon back to the bench and take a look at the op system. I look for whiteness marks and or anything else that would prevent the buffer tube or bolt from pushing bullets out of the magazine. I saw some dimples at the upper receiver just below the ramp area and I blew it off as an after thought. I cleaned her up and put her away dry in inventory.

    Ummm two weeks ago I am going out and do a shoot so I pull the p308
    Out and dress her up purity right? As I have her undressed and showing me how she works the dimples I noticed earlier became more of a concern. The area above what is the forward lip area for the lower to the upper receiver mating area and just where Dimples are the area is squared off right? I am thinking this area should be Throughly ramped to feed different size projectile length right? Well it is not.The area is squared off and the magazine upper forward lip is so tight I am thinking how is a round peg going to fit in a square hole, It will but the spacing is all wrong.

    So I ramped the area and remove all but about 5/32 if material. i want to remove more but I am thinking how can I improve a work of art I am not BASF. After test firing I found the weapon to feed Better than before. I ran a full gamut of bullets thought her trash, rounds of all make and models and when I tell you this I mean it. Really I do. She rejected al most all the rounds any round that had a blunt nose or soft lead tip was a no feed issue. If a round that was Seated deep as a reload the bullet would catch the 5/32 lip area and fail to feed. Any long projectile fmj or a factory hunting round feed just fine if the cooper jacket would hit the bottom of the new and improved ramp area.

    I will fix these issues in the future. As I stated in my first paragraph this weapon. Is a work of mechanical art and is thought out well however this experience for me Is a reason in itself to knock this weapon off its podium until the feed Issue is mended and the weapon functions as asked, just like a woman the POF P-308 is perfect until you start talking to her and expect her to Understand what is needed to get your job done, she gets tired and shows she is flawed, she can polish up just fine but you need to be patient and understanding and “Man-age” the situation.